S.1 E.6 Christie Jordan Barron “Practicing Living and Dying”

Today on the show we are joined by Christie Jordan Barron, an educator, mother, mover, maker, and somatic experiencing practitioner based in the Hudson Valley. Christie believes deeply in our essential need for connection to our own hearts, to nature, and to each other. She is dedicated to holding space for people to sense into and stay curious about the various parts and pieces that make us all tenderly human.

Our conversation weaves through Christie’s work, lived experiences and the deep wisdom she’s landed on along the way. We learn about her work in the practice of dying and how that supports us through deaths of all types and the grief that often accompanies loss. She shares insight into community’s role with grief and how that helps us in moving away from the expert paradigm. Her work as an educator has expanded to include sexual education, supporting youth navigating their relationship to their changing bodies and their autonomy. We talk about her role as mother and the complexities of what that surfaced for her. Our parenting conversation leads us to explore the balance between structure and freedom (masculine and feminine), and we spend some time talking about the challenges of navigating conflict and how to hold one accountable for their actions. Let us know what out conversation brings up for you!

Find Christie at interweave.one

As mentioned, here’s Theresa’s previous conversation on The Hope Model. https://iwantwhatshehas.org/407-joann-stevelos-the-hope-model

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S.1 E.5 Full Moon Reflections with Jennifer and Theresa

It’s time for us to pause and reflect on our most recent conversations and honor the Full Moon Full. Yes, we’re still talking about the “F” word, “feminine.” Is using it helping to bring some healing to the archetype? Ultimately what we’re curious about is bringing balance to the masculine and feminine which begins with reflection and curiosity, so that’s what we’re committed to. How does the role of the mother relate to the feminine and how are the distinctions helpful? We reflect upon our inclusion of the male experience and how that also feels important. We conclude with a little Full Moon reflection and commitments to ourselves in our Full Moon rituals. 

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S.1. E.5 Full Moon Reflections with Jennifer and Theresa

It’s time for us to pause and reflect on our most recent conversations and honor the Full Moon Full. Yes, we’re still talking about the “F” word, “feminine.” Is using it helping to bring some healing to the archetype? Ultimately what we’re curious about is bringing balance to the masculine and feminine which begins with reflection and curiosity, so that’s what we’re committed to. How does the role of the mother relate to the feminine and how are the distinctions helpful? We reflect upon our inclusion of the male experience and how that also feels important. We conclude with a little Full Moon reflection and commitments to ourselves in our Full Moon rituals. 

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Duncan Rich “Men’s Spaces and Modern Masculinity”

Today we are joined by Duncan Rich, a father, a husband, an artist, a facilitator of somatic men’s work, and a co-founder of MELD, a men’s wellness company. Duncan shares some personal background and what brought him to working with men and holding space for them. He provides insight into the importance of men’s spaces and having male voices in wellness spaces. Together we explore some of the deeper questions and challenges men face today – how to reach men who have been culturally shaped to disconnect from their emotions, what the manosphere is and how it’s being co-opted by a wounded masculine archetype, the challenges of defining masculinity, navigating aspirational masculinity, and reclaiming the Noble Father. 

You can learn more about Duncan and the work of MELD here: https://meld.community/ 

We referred to the writing of Elayne Kalilia, https://elaynekalila.substack.com/p/what-happens-when-the-world-is-fatherless 

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S.1 E.3 Dancing With Water – Perdita Finn “Mothers of Magic”

Perdita Finn is the co-founder, with her husband Clark Strand, of the feral fellowship The Way of the Rose, which inspired their book The Way of the Rose: The Radical Path of the Divine Feminine Hidden in the Rosary. They are currently at work on their next book together Circles Not Lines: Spiritual Community Beyond Patriarchy.  To find out more about her devotion to “ecology not theology” visit wayoftherose.org

In addition to extensive study with Zen masters, priests, spirit workers, and healers, she apprenticed with the psychic Susan Saxman, with whom she wrote The Reluctant Psychic. Perdita Finn now teaches popular workshops on Getting to Know the Dead. Participants are empowered to activate the miracles in their own lives with the help of their ancestors and recover their own intuitive magic. Her book Take Back the Magic: Conversations with the Unseen World is an intimate journey through her recovery of these lost ways. She speaks widely on how to collaborate with those on the other side, on the urgent necessity of a new romantic animism, and on the sobriety that emerges when we claim the long story of our souls. Her next book is Mothers of Magic: Summoning the Wisdom of Our Ancestors, to be released on May 5th, 2026.

Perdita begins by talking about the idea of redefining Mothering beyond gender, something that feels so important in today’s world where Mothering has been sidelined by the patriarchy. She offers some strong guidance to men about the role of Grandmothers which helps us move towards collective Mothering. So much of Perdita’s work and book centers on a calling upon the dead. As such we get to hear how this connects with Mothering, how to speak with the dead, and viewing our worries or fretting as an act of prayer calling out for help from the unseen. 

You can connect with all of Perdita’s work at https://takebackthemagic.com/

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S. 1 E. 2 Dancing with Water with Dr. Catherine Svehla

Today on the show we are in conversation with Catherine Svehla, PhD, an independent scholar, storyteller, and mentor in the mythic life. She works with artists on their projects and process, and guides people through work/life transitions by connecting them with their inner wisdom. She is the creator of the Myth Matters podcast (part of the Joseph Campbell Foundation’s MythMaker℠ Podcast Network) and also shares the transformative power of myths and fairytales through story-based workshops and events. Catherine holds a PhD in mythology and depth psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute and has been working the liminal fields of myth, creativity, and consciousness for 30 years. Learn more at mythicmojo.com

Today we explore “the feminine” archetype beginning with Dr. Svehla’s understanding of Jung’s “feminine” and why she advises finding different methods of achieving our shared goal of shifting the power dynamic of the patriarchy. We learn about the philosophy of post Jungian Feminists who offer better working models for us and why Catherine believes it’s important to avoid the Essentialist perspective of fixed gender qualities. So how does gender play a role in all of this? Let us know your thoughts in this ongoing collaborative conversation. 

Dr. Svehla will be in the Hudson Valley next week as a part of Kelli Scar’s Lesser Mysteries happenings.  She will be holding a talk about “The Problem of the Return” on April 29th, 2026 at the Art Society of Kingston.  

Here’s our previous conversation with Dr. Svehla from September 2025. 

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S.1 E.1 Dancing with Water with Lorís Simón Salum

Lorís Simón Salum is a Jungian psychotherapist whose work lives at the intersection of psyche, body, and symbol. Based in Houston, she works with dreams, sandtray, and LENS neurofeedback. Her path is deeply influenced by the Marion Woodman tradition, and she is currently a training candidate at the C.G. Jung Institute in Zürich. Alongside her clinical work, she is developing a documentary project on the relationship between symbol and embodied transformation.

In 2013 she released her documentary film Ensoulment, A Diverse Analysis of the Feminine in Western Culture, portraying a road to self discovery through the tangles of Jungian theory, cultural narratives and personal intuition. An internationally award-winning film that screened across multiple countries and numerous cities. 

Our conversation weaves through topics on “the feminine,” how gender is related to and separate from feminine and masculine embodiment, the role women play in patriarchy and moving beyond it, the inner lives of men, and finding balance amongst it all.

You can learn more about Lorís’s work at lorissimon.com, and follow her on Instagram.

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Introducing Dancing With Water

Welcome to Dancing With Water, conversations about embodying the feminine. Where we explore surrendering to natural rhythms, listening within, moving in harmony with others, and what’s revealed in the darkness. We’re your hosts, Theresa Lyn Widmann, sound practitioner, lifestyle architect and mother, and Jennifer Mulak, herbalist, earth steward, energy practitioner, and founder of Cosmic Mother.

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Introducing Dancing With Water

Welcome to Dancing With Water, conversations about embodying the feminine. Where we explore surrendering to natural rhythms, listening within, moving in harmony with others, and what’s revealed in the darkness. We’re your hosts, Theresa Lyn Widmann, sound practitioner, lifestyle architect and mother, and Jennifer Mulak, herbalist, earth steward, energy practitioner, and founder of Cosmic Mother.

Enjoy our inaugural episode!

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Introducing Dancing With Water

Welcome to Dancing With Water, conversations about embodying the feminine. Where we explore surrendering to natural rhythms, listening within, moving in harmony with others, and what’s revealed in the darkness. We’re your hosts, Theresa Lyn Widmann, sound practitioner, lifestyle architect and mother, and Jennifer Mulak, herbalist, earth steward, energy practitioner, and founder of Cosmic Mother.

Enjoy our inaugural episode!

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